Money For Love; Life Carefree

Feb 20 2008  | Views 450 |  Comments  (22)
Sachin is the only son of Kamala, 72. He has one elder sister, who is married and has a daughter. Bu... Expand

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  Julia Dutta posted 5 mnths ago

Mr Datta,
All points taken and honoured too. I am sorry for the delay in response time. I have been very busy of late and could not view my blog at all. I have requested many on Sulekha especially senior citizens to comment on this post, because the present Case Study will be published most probably in Dignity Dialogue, the magazine for Seniour Citizens, and I wanted a feed back. But most failed to comment and I am happy about your strong voice of resistance. It was needed on this post.
Regarding, the SWOT, the poet I believe is a B-School Grad as well and a Advertising professional and so dear Mr Datta I must confess that some habits die hard
Julia



  Ratan Datta posted 5 mnths ago

Julia Dutta,

Not all fathers and mothers are "male obsessed". We just have one daughter and are happy. The present tendencies in the Society that it approves or overlooks children ignoring the parents' needs.

Your Case study is one of the "very good situations",in general sons do not even give adequate money to meet the physical needs of parents. I know sons who own BMWs &  Lexus  but parents still live in 2 room apartament and uses public transport.People dance around these when they visit for small goodies.

I read some one suggesting - "middle class values" - should change - why? which ones?  In any case - how many are guided by such values ? Do we need the change - so that these can get the stamp of legitimacy? I did not expect you to endorse that view .

I believe, we need many many "Assisted Living" places where these parents and elders can take shelter. It could be from good expensive ones  to those who have meagre means. These will let the elders live with dignity.NGOs could assist these elders to find a purpose in life so that they are not haunted being lonely.

Pardon me- your SWOT analysis make me feel I am reading a B-school case material not from some one who has been honoured as a poet.

God bless.

Ratan Datta



  Julia Dutta posted 6 mnths ago

Naval,
Thanks for a positive response. Yes, times have changed and compromises cannot be the order of the day any more, which ever place or person it might come from. Thanks for visiting,
Julia



  NAVAL LANGA posted 6 mnths ago

To Ms. Julia Dutta

The oldage poses certain challenges to a person. How to resolve it, that depends upon the person and his/her position. Here in the given case there seems no confrontation of the interests or wishes. And to live apart is the need of the time. In India or abroad, living far away from other family members, perticularly the parents is an usual thing. One should accept it as part of the life.

However one week a six moth with mother would be a good solution for the guy who is making his own future more an more safe.

Naval Langa



  Julia Dutta posted 6 mnths ago

Anjala,

Thank you for being here and adding to the value of this post with your comment. I would like to put in my observations on this  what you have just said - Would this case be viewed differently if there were two daughters instead of one son and a daughter? I ask, because I do see a difference, in cases where there are say, two daughters involved. (i.e. no son).  - Here is my answer.

I think that Indian mothers and fathers are male obsessed. If they fail to have a son, or have two dauthers or more for that matter, one of the daughters is sacrificed in the alter of parental desire for a son and hence, one of the daughters will perform for her parents what was expected of a son. This is not only for daughters but this fact stands thue even for single women. It is expected somehow, that if one is single, then the onus of responsibility of looking after the aging parents falls invariably on her. This is like some unspoken law. Hence, expect a few things should there be two daughters or more  -
1. One of the daughters will remain single 
2. That she will not be involved and committed romantically to anyone for as long as her parents live.
3. Expect that she will be a martyr and her parents/ even she herself will glorify her singlehood as a sacrifice for her parents.
4. That on their passing away, she might find herself waking up too late in the day to claim her right to her own share of happiness.
5. She is caught in a fix of a different nature - she must be like a man but not really enjoy the rights he seems to enjoy like coming home late in the night, not participating in household chores etc etc. 

I say this from what I have seen my whole life. So, to answer your question, in the heads of Indian marriad couples with children, this way or that one of the child is a  male child. So in that sense what you say later fits -

I personally find that parents, particularly mothers,  are marinaded in the ‘Son-mantra’…and there is indeed a feeling of betrayal when he is not at hand to give primary care…

In the Indian context, in Patriarchal societies, the son has the added, socially created place - that without a son lighting the funeral pyre of a dead father, moksha cannot be achieve!! Never mind that during the lifetime of such a son, he may be responsible for putting many of his sisters, wives and neighbour's wife, including his girl child on the funaral pyre too. 

As many have stated I too feel the same Anjala: times have changed, we need to move on and although we as thinking Indians would hate to just follow a dumb western pattern of life and how to deal with the aged, our aging parents need to evolve from their set of beliefs/ideas/ expectations. 

Its about time. Thanks once again and thanks also for this wonderful compliment - that I am a prolific writer. It is the only other passion I am totally dedicated to every day of my life. 
Julia



  anjala posted 6 mnths ago

Julia, you are too prolific and I ask advance maafi for irregular attendance at your space. I do read as many as I can. Some need a lot of chewing and time constraints prevent me from giving them the attention they deserve to generate a coherent comment. Here, once again, you have, presented a case study that leads one to mull over choices, changing norms, expectations and disappointments.

 

Would this case be viewed differently if there were two daughters instead of one son and a daughter? I ask, because I do see a difference, in cases where there are say, two daughters involved. (i.e. no son). I personally find that parents, particularly mothers,  are marinaded in the ‘Son-mantra’…and there is indeed a feeling of betrayal when he is not at hand to give primary care…however much the same may be provided by the daughter/s. And I have noticed that ironically, the infrequent visitor-son is more fawned upon than the daily caregiver, who is oft taken for granted.

 

Like Sachin, there are those who have, by choice or circumstances, effected a degree of  geographical non-proximity – ‘escaped’ so to say, the daily hands-on care, the relentless nature of which can be quite depleting.  (I had written a poem on this very topic!) Some, like Sachin manage to do their bit (or assuage their guilt? ) – by giving ample monetary help to offset the vacuum they leave behind. A ‘puter for a puttar, these days – with a web cam as an added treat! At times, sadly, even a phone call is not forthcoming.

 

This is by no means a judgement against not-available-on-call sons or daughters. When our parents left villages and came to the city to better their life, and that of their families back home, if their parents in turn were not able or willing to abandon the village-farm life to resettle in the city, (if they were welcome, that is!) – is it a surprise that the scenario will probably be reenacted – from small town to metro, from bungalows to apartments that cannot harbour larger families, or taking it still further, migrating to another country and culture? Uprooting and transplanting the elderly is not a happy option. With shrinking families, the natural outcome is a spurt in building of retirement homes. Just an observation!



  Julia Dutta posted 6 mnths ago

Hi Maria,
It is absolutely wonderful of you to visit Maria. I am very touched indeed. How can any of my case studies be ever complete without you.
I too am the only child of my parents. My Maa was very ill all her life but she worked as well. I am very happy that on her last days and uptil her last breath I was always there with her. I think that what you say about women building a support system for them selves is very important. One never knows what our choices will be in future and yes, it is always changing. But, that which makes us a dynamic giver in every way, is perhaps one of the prime reason that will see us through our toughest days. Why the later years, even in our prime time and the years between, it is how much we incvest in people and people-based projects, how much we give and receive that determines, how we are going to wade through difficult time. I have found a family in everyone I have been with, on a personal level as well as in the neighbourhood, because, I make each one feel I need them and make them know, I need them too. I think this is an important exchange - to be bonded in need, but not be dependent. Women, and men must stay invested positively.
Finally, thanks for sharing about your mother. Its lovely to know. I feel closer to you and her, because you shared
Julia



  Maria S posted 6 mnths ago


Hello Julia,

As others have said, a case/story which reflects the realities of today!
And as always- you have narrated and analysed the situations quite well...

I suppose it really depends on the individual and their unique situations. All of us know many similar situations...and everyone (every family) involved, tries to come up with their own situations..

It is hard to judge or offer any easy solutions...and as I have always said- these life situations are fluid (constantly change) and we make decisions accordingly..

*One thing I would suggest is- for women to "build systems of support" (as in small networks of relatives and friends- even as they/we raise our own children)...sometimes we are so self-absorbed in the interests of only our "own" (biological) children and don't bother to take the time to nourish other relationships...we let them fade..

I am an only child and my mother (who is in her 70s- lives in India after living in the US for 30 years...it is a choice she made)..She is an extraordinary woman...she seems to have many people who are always there- caring for her/helping her, which is amazing to me (it is obviously because she is reaches out and helps so many people). Whenever I can, I try to care for older neighbors in my community in the US (I feel if people help my mother, I should do that for other mothers here- who are away from their children) 

Sure, we miss each other a lot and are always there for each other- but, I suppose..the old saying "it takes a village to raise a child" can be modified to "it takes a village to care for all parents (not just our parents!)"...as times change..I think we have to create "extended families"..
*If my mother becomes ill, I am sure- I would have to make changes..but, as long as older parents are healthy...support systems do work..in my view!

best,
Maria



  Julia Dutta posted 6 mnths ago

Dear Sampath,
I agree with you. Even Taslima Nasreen who lived 12 years abroad has one thing to say - she never felt at home there. I suppose it is all in ones own mind what one wants and where. But, it is true, that if in future he wants to return, as so many do in their twilight years, they find no one here whom they can relate to and vice versa. Hence, like it or not they have to return. Bonding is a give and take, both ways. Thanks for your comment.
Julia



  DSampath posted 6 mnths ago

Choices one has to make 
always has a price to pay
the question which price 
benefit is better for me.
he will realise this when he reaches the age of retirement.
he would find it difficult to settle down there 
and will have no great linkage
in India to settle down.when i am old i dont expet my childern to look after me.
 because what you have stated is their reality. 
let me prepare myself for the future!!





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